# Creating UDTS from MQTT Engine throwing errors

**URL:** <https://forum.cirrus-link.com/t/creating-udts-from-mqtt-engine-throwing-errors/122>\
**Category:** MQTT Modules\
**Tags:** mqtt-engine\
**Created:** [September 17, 2021, 11:05pm UTC](https://forum.cirrus-link.com/t/creating-udts-from-mqtt-engine-throwing-errors/122 "2021-09-17T23:05:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![leland.falde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/779978/32.png) [@leland.falde](https://forum.cirrus-link.com/u/leland.falde)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 11:05pm UTC](https://forum.cirrus-link.com/t/creating-udts-from-mqtt-engine-throwing-errors/122/1 "2021-09-17T23:05:12Z")

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UPDATE: Upgraded to latest versions of Igntion, MQTT Distributor, MQTT Engine, and Designer.

Following these instructions and doesn’t appear to work the same for tags from an MQTT Engine. [https://docs.inductiveautomation.com/display/DOC80/User+Defined+Types±+UDTs](https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.inductiveautomation.com%2Fdisplay%2FDOC80%2FUser%2BDefined%2BTypes%2B-%2BUDTs&data=04%7C01%7Cleland.falde%40millerwelds.com%7C6cda11912b0b413b7bae08d97a2db47a%7Caac13f67a5574827bbfd179a2b7244ae%7C0%7C0%7C637675158999835006%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=cu41%2FxoEujYwNdMoq0gZ0U2bcOHge%2Ffnaroubqi%2BQik%3D&reserved=0)

Perhaps there is a better training resource to follow?

I have many devices publishing data via MQTT to Ignition and hoping to capitalize on UDTS.

Issue 1: When creating a new UDT from MQTT Engine, it creates it in the Sample\_Tags provider. I would expect it to appear in the UDT definitions for the MQTT Engine. If I try to manually create a UDT, I get error “insufficient tag provider edit permissions”

Question: Are there any limitations or special considerations to using Ignition with UDTS from an MQTT Engine?

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**Author:** ![nathan.davenport](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ab097/32.png) [@nathan.davenport](https://forum.cirrus-link.com/u/nathan.davenport)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.cirrus-link.com/t/creating-udts-from-mqtt-engine-throwing-errors/122/2 "2021-09-20T23:34:09Z")

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You cannot manually create UDTs within the Engine tag provider. You can configure the MQTT Transmission module to send tags to Engine as UDTs (Convert UDTs = False) and Engine will then create the appropriate UDT definitions and instances in its tag provider.

Take a look at these videos on [inductiveautomation.com](http://inductiveautomation.com) that talk a bit about configuring the MQTT Transmission module and UDTs.

- [MQTT Transmission Module | Inductive Automation](https://www.inductiveautomation.com/resources/video/mqtt-transmission-module)
- [Using The MQTT Transmission Module to Publish Data | Inductive Automation](https://www.inductiveautomation.com/resources/video/using-the-mqtt-transmission-module-to-publish-data)